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This weekend marks the second anniversary of Obamacare. When he signed it into law last year (despite most polls showing the majority of the people did not want it) he probably did not know that some of its policies violated the Constitution and thus would have to be looked at in the Supreme Court.

So is healthcare a basic human right?

Well, many on the left think so and that is why it was shoved down our throats. However, the answer is rather obvious: NO!!!!!! Now I do believe everyone needs to have access to affordable healthcare. The current system is not perfect and insurance companies should be seriously looked at, however this is not an excuse to put in progressive medicine to kill off a free market because some people think it is a basic human right.

A true basic human right would be the right to be able to do something and not receive something instead. Real basic human rights should belong to all of us unless we take other peoples' human rights. The government is taking other peoples' rights away when they say everyone should receive healthcare for free because when we have to pay for someone else's healthcare that takes away our right to keep what we earn. Human rights should not conflict with each other and that is the bottom line and they should also above all not make us slaves to our government.

Also, by forcing people who do not believe in national healthcare to pay for other peoples' healthcare is also threatening their rights.

Also, can you define healthcare? Its rather difficult to define healthcare. What does healthcare include? What is involved in healthcare? What does it do?

Also what about clean water, food, houses, and clothes? Why isn't the government giving those away for free? Wouldn't those be seen as basic human rights to many liberals? This is a great danger in this age: people feeling entitled to everything and expect someone else to pay for it.
My talks on healthcare and human rights.

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Sharuda Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2013
Tax the upper class more?
Its called proportions guys. either way it won't hurt them as much.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Why shouldn't healthcare be a right? All you say here is that other people will be bothered by paying for others healthcare. That's the same that happens in an insurance company, you're already paying for other's health except you're also paying for company profits on top of your healthcare and countless others.
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BorogoveLM Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Student General Artist
Clean Water, food, housing, and clothes are all human rights.
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Graeystone Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2013
If the federal government actually gave a damn, the legislative and executive branch would pass a bill that would give people the same exact healthcare plan they use.
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Titanicfan1000 Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2013  Student Writer
True.
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katiejo911 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No, it's much better to let the poor become a sick, unhealthy lot of disease vectors so that when a virulent disease comes along, it spreads like wildfire. However, we will save so much money by denying pre-existing conditions and letting our elderly die slow, painful deaths that everyone will be happy.

The thing about health care is that it's an investment. By allowing people to take care of themselves before they end up critical and contagious at the county ER (where we end up and pay for them anyways), why not get them in there before the expensive critical care is needed?

And just so we're clear, who decides if healthcare is a right? Those with health care already or those who need it?
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Titanicfan1000 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012  Student Writer
It is just my opinion to why healthcare is not a right. Everyone has different opinions.

I never said we should let poor people become sick and I believe that everyone should have access to affordable healthcare, but that is not a good excuse to put on progressive medicine and force everyone to pay a penalty.

A good plan I found would be this one:


1.) Complete repeal of Obamacare.

2.) Make all health plans, including health savings accounts, fully tax deductible.

3.) Allow people to buy insurance over state lines.

5.) Have a strong medical litigation reform to reduce defensive medicine.

6.) Liberalize license laws to stop the artificial restriction of physicians.

7.) Reform the FDA with market based reforms to make the drug approval proccess quicker and less expensive.

8.) Turn Medicaid into a block grant based program in which states have much more control.

9.) Bring market reforms to Medicare that allows for competition and choice as well as much more cost sharing.

10.) Use federal incentives to get rid of state laws that encourage hospital mergers and consolidation, which lead to monopolies.

11.) Allow small businesses to pool together to buy group health insurance.
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Graeystone Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2013
6.) Liberalize license laws to stop the artificial restriction of physicians.
Can you expand on that a bit more?

7.) Reform the FDA with market based reforms to make the drug approval proccess quicker and less expensive.
Thinking about this one, I got the 'Too Many MMOs Are Pay To Win Vibe'.
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bttlrp Featured By Owner May 18, 2012
If you want to play that game, then you have to accept property is not a right either. So, libertarian dogma is as void as any humanitarian ideal.
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katiejo911 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I see your points from the view of a young taxpayer with no medical problems or expenses. However, having worked with those in poverty, those stricken by disasters, terminal illnesses, accidents, deadly outbreaks, premature births, low incomes, mid-level incomes and even those on current Veteran's Administration and Medicare programs, I can tell you this plan you have is completely inadequate and dangerous. Insurance companies will do all they can not to pay a dime, and if you don't believe me, look at what happened in Florida in 2004. It sparked insurance reform country wide. Likewise, the protection of "Obamacare" for those with pre-existing conditions is a godsend for those with chronic illnesses who have been dropped by their insurance companies because keeping them alive is too expensive. And I'm not talking about those in nursing homes or comas, I'm talking about people with treatable cancer or auto-immune diseases or diabetes or asthma.

If your idea of health care in America is "survival of the fittest", then your plan is excellent. Let the weak and poor die, and the rest will live. People living on $20,000 a year with four children cannot afford to have a "savings" account for health care. They are having enough problems feeding and clothing their children. The elderly on low fixed incomes due to congress raiding all the funds they paid into Social Security dying because Medicare is inadequate are having to decide between medicine and food, medicine and rent, medicine and life. The vast majority of Americans on welfare in this country are children.

Allowing these people to drop out of our health care system is tantamount to eugenics. If they're too sick or disabled and need public assistance, let them die. If they're too old and sick, let them die. If they couldn't make enough money to buy health insurance, let them die.

We used to have homes for widows and orphans in this country because there was no organized assistance available. Those in need had to rely on the charity of others, of people like you. I've been down there in the trenches, and it's not pretty. We're not very far from a global pandemic, the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control are working as fast as they can to get on top of it. However, if we get another virus like the one that killed so many millions in 1918 and 1919, when people traveled overseas by ship, think of what will happen when it gets on passenger planes. In Philadelphia, people would be talking on the street when one would just drop dead from the flu, no warning.

Someone needs to make sure people are vaccinated to avoid this situation. Someone needs to get this information out. Someone needs to find a way to help all Americans stay healthy if for no other reason that it protects the rest of us from illness.

Do you think private insurance companies will do that? Don't bet on it.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012
Also, keep in mind that nothing that the government can or does provide is free. It all requires funding from the taxpayers. Unfortunately, your average liberal thinks it comes out of Obama's behind. xD

Sorry for the double comment, I just thought it was important to mention.
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bttlrp Featured By Owner May 18, 2012
...Which is why taxes should be raised, particularly for the rich.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner May 18, 2012
No, it means that the government should provide only the very basic things that the constitution gives it the right to provide, and institute a low, fair, flat tax.
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bttlrp Featured By Owner May 18, 2012
That's a fucking awful idea, the quality of life for a vast majority of the population would plummet. A flat tax is never fair, because all wealth is created at the expense of immense poverty amongst countless others.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner May 19, 2012
That's how socialism works. Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than every other system combined. If you want to see quality of life improve and our government not taking up tremendous debt sucking away our freedoms, cut as much government spending as is legally possible and lower taxes on businesses so they can compete effectively (lower costs and higher quality). Our government should return to its constitutional roots because the programs it spends on now is absolutely anti constitution and anti American.
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bttlrp Featured By Owner May 19, 2012
That only makes sense out of context, because capitalism has created infinitely more poverty across the globe at a far greater rate than all previous economic systems combined. That makes absolute shit all sense - cut government spending? Public spending exists to HELP people. It's pitifully low already in the US, it would be veritable demographic suicide to reduce it any further.

The myth that giving the richest businesses unlimited reign to do what they like will help the majority of people as a byproduct is a fairytale which exists only in the heads of free market fundamentalists. Milton Friedman tried it in Chile, it was a fucking disaster. Saying that the government should return to its "constitutional roots" - what does that even mean? Go back in time 225 years? How is that not a terrible idea? Do you seriously want a constitution that is frozen in time, and a legislative branch that continues to think it's 1787? What possible good could that serve? You ought to go forward, not back. Too much regression and some ancient, naive idea of "freedom" will always be the problem, and never the solution.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner May 20, 2012
U.S spending is not pitifully low. The United States spends more than any other country in the world. If it didn't, how is it 15 (almost 16) trillion in debt? How do you think we can get out of it? Taxing the people more? If you walk up to your boss and tell him that you spend all your money on beer and cigarettes and you need a raise, he'll fire you. Why can politicians get away with spending on an immoral and unconstitutional welfare state and fueling corruption, then demand a tax hike to fund that?

It worked in the United States, it works in Singapore and it works in Hong Kong. So far, it has a good record. The United States became the most powerful economy in the world by 1880; classical economics ruled that time period, not Keynesian economics.

"Do you seriously want a constitution that is frozen in time, and a legislative branch that continues to think it's 1787?"

Ah, it's the "constitution is a living document" argument. That is just an excuse to shove the constitution aside and ignore it. Our constitution is a foundation, and foundations don't move or else the structure falls down. Our constitution gives no basis for welfare, it gives no right for the government to do things like the patriot act or end habeus corpus, it gave the government no right to take away our freedoms, and it gives the president no right to declare war without congress. Take a look at the state of our economy, our debt, and the hundreds of thousands killed in wars overseas. There's your moving forward. Sometime's progress is bad.
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Titanicfan1000 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012  Student Writer
Thanks for sharing!
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012
Always happy to do so.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012
No tangible thing should ever be a human right. Even food and water are not human rights. It's the intangible things like freedom and security that are human rights. If you want a REAL list of human rights and not this socialist mumbo jumbo, read our own constitution and declaration of independence.

Also, this is irrelevant, but mountainmortal is hilarious; he made your age an issue yet this is the same man that told me that I'm not allowed to mention HIS age. Silly liberals.
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OceanStory1 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012
We all have the right to life,liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, all of which one can do without the general help of anyone else in this world.

Healthcare demands that someone treats you . It demands that someone pay for the work of the doctor , because if they don't, the doctor is a glorified slave. We as a people seem to like having the best supplies and facilities possible , which demands that someone has enough money to buy said things. The money to pay for the doctors work, tools, and place of profession requires a large amount of money, that must be spread over the nation . The creators of the tools and architects of the facilities must also be compensated adequately. What reason will people have to make medical breakthroughs other than the prospect of monetary gain ?

If any of these are not met, the general healthcare of the disputed sector will suffer, because doing the job won't be worth the personal cost.
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squirrels-are-evil Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Of course we have a right to life, we may be born into it but not all of us are lucky. Should a guy who gets hit by a negligent driver have to go bankrupt because he can't afford healthcare?

It isn't fair, sure...but neither is the guy who becomes a billionaire because his website is the newest fad
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OceanStory1 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012
How much money should the hospital forfeit for every victim of a negligent driver ?

and yes the person with the latest website fad is indeed fair

He has created a product so popular, that it has become a fad. He is not cheating someone, people find his website so desirable that they choose to pay him those billions of dollars. If you want to blame someone for his popularity, blame the people who payed into it
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squirrels-are-evil Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
How much money should the hospital forfeit for every victim of a negligent driver ?

Lies and shenanigans, expensive health care and hospital bills are the result of a Free Market System. My mother is a radiologist, and the services she performs can be done at a much cheaper price as would most hospital programs

He has created a product so popular, that it has become a fad. He is not cheating someone, people find his website so desirable that they choose to pay him those billions of dollars. If you want to blame someone for his popularity, blame the people who payed into it

But you can't say it was all hard work and determination that allowed him to become a success, as in the end it was dumb luck that people chose his product vs. other people with similar sites and ideas.

I never said he was cheating anyone, simply pointing the luck based success in a Free Market. The problem with the conservative argument is that their solution to when the market fails or hits "bad luck" is tough luck
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OceanStory1 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
Services probably can be done more cheaply, but the profit made from such services most likely heads towards the general upkeep of the hospital. The staff must be paid (And more may be hired) , new supplies must be bought, research must be done , and facilities must be built and maintained. The government will not match this, and our healthcare will suffer. Our shiny 2012 hospitals probably won’t look as marvelous in 2050

And Yes I can say the website was hard work

He had to write the code, advertise the website , find ways to make people desire his site more than the other websites, maintain the site, among other things. People don't just flock to his website out of the blue
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squirrels-are-evil Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Then you're as blind as the rest of your conservative peers
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OceanStory1 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012
Having a different opinion on a matter does not make one blind . I gave you a bit of arguement for your last post, and all you can muster is a weak show of contempt. ("You do not agree with me, so that means you are a fool"sort of thing) That reflects badly on you

I am willing to hear you out

All I ask is that you have the general dignity to not end on such a pitiful statement. Try telling me why any of my previous statements are not correct
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bttlrp Featured By Owner May 18, 2012
It does if it has no correlate with reality.
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OceanStory1 Featured By Owner May 19, 2012
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A bit more of a reply than you deserve, but I am a generous soul. Enjoy
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squirrels-are-evil Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I have no intention to start a political debate on liberal vs. conservative, I simply intended to voice a liberal idea and one that I believe in

I take no offense being called a liberal, and you shouldn't when called a conservative...these are our sides, and I've argued mine for some time but do not have the energy to do it again
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OceanStory1 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012
I don't take offense from being called conservative

I just find it a bit odd that you would pass me off as blind, whether it's due to my conservative nature or not. I knew you had the liberal idea in this small exchange, but I listened to you without calling you blind.
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OceanStory1 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012
Also notice how I did not throw out the word "Liberal" to attack you
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Titanicfan1000 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Student Writer
Life isn't fair, it is it what it is.
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squirrels-are-evil Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah that's what I said.
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RhetoricHaystack Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Professional General Artist
you are in highschool...what the hell do you know about the unfairness of life? that's fucking hilarious, right there.
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OceanStory1 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012
Attack the validity of the statement, not the age of the person who made it.

I'm not up to date on logical fallacies , but would'nt that be an ad-hominem ?
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RhetoricHaystack Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Professional General Artist
i am aware of the logical fallacies, yes. but do you know many high school students that have as much life experience as a 32 year old man? are you also in high school, and this is some sortof pre-vicarious defense?
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Titanicfan1000 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Student Writer
Life is simply unfair. You do not get what you want. I am sure I will not get everything I want. I am sure you like to get everything you want by living on your welfare check.
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bttlrp Featured By Owner May 18, 2012
That is a fucking piss poor argument, common currency amongst reactionaries. *America invades Afghanistan and bombs tens of thousands of civilians* - "Life isn't fair!"

*The government willfully did something wrong, succumbed to corruption, caved in to the demands of the Wall Street* - "Life isn't fair!"

No. That's not an argument. We're not talking an unpreventable, unpunishable natural disaster here, we're talking about the government and its weaknesses. They can (and must) be corrected and punished. The conservative argument: sitting back on your behind, blinding yourself to all the distinctly man made, corporate-inspired bullshit the world is being afflicted by is just not good enough. You WANT life to be "unfair" when it suits, and then whine about taxes and having to pay your way to help people in the society you live in.
Get a fucking grip.
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Titanicfan1000 Featured By Owner May 22, 2012  Student Writer
Yeah if your conservative you deliberately want life you be unfair! According to your logic I should support the holocaust! By the way, the taxes from my family is not helping society. Society is everyone, thus the only thing protecting society is the military, roads, the post office, and anything contributing general welfare. The US Constitution clearly says that only things should be passed for the general welfare of the people. The welfare system itself is specific welfare, but it is only specifically helping someone. Obamacare is specific because it is only specifically helping people who are sick. Specific welfare is unconstitutional.
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bttlrp Featured By Owner May 22, 2012
OH NOE OBAMA IS SPECIFICALLY HELPING THE SICK! ...That would be everyone then. Not everyone requires healthcare at some point in principle, but then again, not everyone needs to use roads or the post office, the fire service etcetera. You could in theory live your life without any of those things, it's just hypocrisy to draw the line at an arbitrary point.

No: "according to (my) logic", those of the "I don't give a fuck about anyone else" mentality would say the holocaust is just a case of life not being fair.
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Titanicfan1000 Featured By Owner May 22, 2012  Student Writer
You need to be more gentlemanly sir! I disagree about the roads, you may not use them yourself if you do not have a car, but if you take the bus, order or something that might be taken on a truck, maybe you ride a bike and there are special paths on roads, maybe you have no sidewalks and you walk on the roads. A vast majority of the people use roads, but a vast majority is not sick every time. Its not like I have a cold every day for example. Thus if not a vast majority use, then it is not general, but specific. Also, I do care about people that is why I believe we should pay more people's protection, ability to transport, ability to send mail, etc. DA!
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OceanStory1 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012
Not fair to make that assumption on the welfare check
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RhetoricHaystack Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Professional General Artist
what makes you think i am on welfare? i am fully employed, son. you can actually see what i get paid to do if you visit my gallery. i am a self made man, and a liberal...something you conservatives refuse to believe exists.
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Titanicfan1000 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Student Writer
I believe liberals and self made men do exist. You are the ones making people less self made by trying to give them everything.
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RhetoricHaystack Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Professional General Artist
you are so simple, it hurts. liberals only want to give the bare minimum to the people who absolutely need it. you know, to keep society afloat. keeping the whole thing from falling to shit, which seems like where the conservatives would love to see us all end up. you can generalize all you like, but i believe the welfare issue is far more complicated to dwindle down to a few catchy slogans. conservative ideals seem so true because they are so simple and it isn't hard to say 'yeah, ya know, i agree!'....playing to people's knee-jerk reactions. i dont believe in that. i say we can break it down piece by piece and analyse every aspect, but you would rather toss out some seemingly-witty sarcastic drivel that has been spoonfed to you so you thin it should be spoonfed to me. fuck that. i'm an intellectual and i believe in confronting the complex and understanding it for what it is, regardless of what i want it to be. you are obviously the opposite.
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Titanicfan1000 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Student Writer
Good for you. All I am doing is trying to protect us from socialism, but you are not. Good day sir.
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druid69 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012
This is a rant. You don't explain at all why health care wouldn't be a basic human right. Your comment about Obama not knowing that some of his provisions violated the constitution and would thus have to be looked at by the Supreme Court is misleading to say the least. Until there is a ruling by the court you can only claim that in your and other people's minds it is unconstitutional, or, that portions of it are unconstitutional. All kinds of disputed laws have been viewed by that court, and, merely being viewed by that court don't automatically make something unconstitutional.
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Titanicfan1000 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Student Writer
The reason why healthcare is not a right is simple: it interferes with other rights. Rights should contradict other rights. Keeping what you earn is a right, but healthcare violates that. If it is in violation of rights then it is unconstitutional.
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